I recently found a wonderful thread about physical immortality on the Oprah.com discussion pages. Some bits are more wonderful than others, but I REALLY LOVE the introductory piece, written by Dr Janni Lloyd.
If you are at all intrigued by the idea of physical immortality, I suggest you check it out… it’s at Do You Choose Life? You may even like to join and have your say! (And the reason for the dolphin pic will become clear if you click through).
The discussion has been going since December last year, and at the moment there are over 340 comments.
Quite a few writers challenge Janni’s views, and quite a few support it, and others ask questions. Janni is very active in replying to everyone, and she keeps throwing in new thoughts, so the thread almost has a blog feel, I think.
One part of Janni’s introduction that resonated with me particularly was where she quoted Sondra Ray‘s words: “all healing is temporary until you heal death”.
This thinking is probably the main reason why I chose to make this blog’s main focus physical immortality rather than healing in general… as far as I’m concerned, all the wonderful healing methods out there will ultimately fail if we believe that we will die one day—that something will get us in the end.
Something doesn’t have to get us in the end—it only will if we believe it will. Once we free ourselves of this belief we can take up healing techniques with a flourish, knowing we can ultimately be successful!
Janni is speaking at the upcoming Conscious Living Expo, which you might like to visit if you happen to be in Western Australia this September 🙂 She’s scheduled to give a talk on the Sunday morning, titled Healthy Radical Life Extension (Explore the Possibility of Physical Immortality, from medical science to Quantum Physics, Alternative Medicine and Spirituality).
The Oprah thread has got me wondering… could a blog work with one post a year? – heh
Jenny Mannion’s birthday!
It’s Jenny Mannion’s birthday today! She is having a surprise online blogging birthday party!
Jenny has a great blog: Heal Pain Naturally.
Jenny… Here’s a cake, some balloons and a pony!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY JENNY!
Cheers – Robin
Hi Robin: Well, 340 comments shows that there’s a lot of interest in the topic.
I already sent Jenny a tweet congratulating her for her birthday but, if I may, I’ll wish her happy birthday here too. 🙂
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Ok…I still have to admit that I am not sure if I really want to live forever. Nonetheless, I have to say that the idea of physical immortality is intriguing. As Marelisa has pointed out, 340 comments is definitely indicative of the interest on this topic.
Thanks for the reminder about Jenny’s birthday! I have just sent her a birthday wish!
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Yea Robin!!! Thanks so much for the sweet birthday wishes! Thank you Marelisa and Evelyn!!!!! I have had the best birthday celebrations yet and today is for Ray and my kids to spend together. I feel so blessed to know all of you — thanks so much for the well wishes. I have every intention of making my 40’s the best decade yet for me! 30’s were mostly spent sick and then waking up to my potential and health. I enter the 40’s with such optimism and excitement for what is to come and for each and every day. Having friends like you makes my life so much sweeter!
Lots of Love, xoxo
Jenny
.-= Jenny Mannion´s last blog ..Chakra Golf — Chakras for Everyday Lives – Guest Post by Cyndi Dale =-.
Having more medical problems than I ever imagined, I have a lot of doubts about living forever. I hope to live forever, whether with a body or without, but clearly have a long way to go in this belief system. Love the mother-and-child dolphin photo.
Happy Birthday to Jennie!
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I will have to check this blog out, though I don’t have any real desire to live forever. I am quite happy to pass over and be born again with a new adventure for my spirit to embark on. However, I do like the idea of having good health throughout my life and then dying at a time of my own choosing – when I’m ready. That idea works for me just fine.
And happy birthday to the our wonderful birthday girl, Jenny. A pony – aren’t you lucky! 🙂
Kelly x
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Robin, thanks for the link to Janni’s post. I’m thinking maybe I’ve been a believer in the immortality she speaks of, without realizing it. I have for a really long time embraced the “I’m a spiritual being having a human experience” and the immortality of myself as spirit; but I see no conflict with the concept of the body being immortal as a “light body” ~~ in fact, I think it’s an awesome concept and I very playfully want it to be true. Guess I’ll just make it that way, LOL!
As the year 2000 approached (hard to believe that was nine years ago already!), I wrote:
“A new century coming soon, watch it come! Ring the bell, sound the brass, strike the drum! Are we closer now to Star Trek days and Star Trek ways? Will we learn to reject the profit maze, and finally know true wealth to be the long-sought Higher Self? Will we be where east and west have met and blended into a kinder set of rules to guide our lives and loves, where respect is the norm for every man and silence a part of our daily plan? Where sharing life is a fine-tuned art, life forms of all kinds taking part?”
That’s what I’m looking for, how nice to know I’m not alone here!
Hi Robin – I just had to pass along an anecdote my brother shared with me a couple of days ago. Our Uncle Charlie has begun receiving home hospice care – I think he is 82 or something. Charlie’s not been 100% “right” for a while and has needed supervision, but his long term memory is sharp and he’s fun to talk to about the old days, etc. Anyway, the hospice nurse is coming daily, and Charlie took note: “Say,” he rasped (he’s had throat cancer). “Would you mind telling me the difference between home hospice care and home health care?” So, the nurse explained (I can only imagine) that hospice is for making people comfortable when death is near, and health care is for making them well when they’re sick. Charlies’ response? “Well, no offense, but if it’s all the same to you, I’ll take the health care.” LOL
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Hi Robin,
The whole idea of physical immortality is a difficult one for me to get a grasp of. So, I’ll check it out and read up on some of the opposing viewpoints. Thanks for the pointer!
Jenny!
Happy Birthday!!! Here’s to making this next decade the best ever for you!!
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Hi,
I just read Janni’s article. I like it.
My understanding is, this is what I call “lightbody” because, if you are freely traveling through the higher dimensions, your “physical” body is not the same physical body we typically have.
So we don’t die. We just develop lightbody out of our physical body.
I have the feeling, however, that, once I develop my lightbody, I may not come back to the 3D world so often. Not that I don’t like this world, but exploring higher dimensions seem more fun.
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“all healing is temporary until you heal death”. Interesting quote. Reminds me of the state of mind that says “why bother with anything, we are going to die eventually anyway.” It is indeed an interesting philosophical question – why bother improve your life and achieve your goal if death awaits you at the end.
Happy birthday Jenny!
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I will pop over and check out the referrals. I had heard about the Oprah post, but had not visited – no time like the present.
I am working on healing myself right now and starting a new regime on Monday the 24th – I am having a prep. week to get my attitude off vacation and back to the present! And my 60th birthday is the 23rd…so Happy Birthday to Jenny!
Hi Robin!
That was a great picture for Jenny’s birthday! I always wanted a pony when I was growing up! Thanks for participating! It was a lot of fun!
.-= Amy Jewell / Cirklagirl´s last blog ..Happy 40th Birthday, Jenny!! =-.
@Marelisa – I wouldn’t necessarily say a LOT of interest – but I think it’s great to see people talking about it.
@Evelyn – Hi there – the words Janni quoted “Death is the dingy back door entrance to the heavenly realms” came to mind when I read your comment.
@Jenny – Thanks to you for the love you share around, Jenny. I love the way you want to share the excitement you feel about healing yourself of very serious ailments with others, so they might be inspired to do the same.
@Dot – You know I fiddled with that dolphin image quite a bit and didn’t notice the baby! (I just couldn’t quite work out the shape). The way I see it, we already live forever spiritually – it would be nice to get the body along for the ride.
@Kelly – Hi there Kelly – having good health and choice about how long our life is sound fine to me!
@Jeanne – I love the way you say “and I very playfully want it to be true”. Because that is how I see it – it is a playful concept and we don’t need to be bogged down with “serious” spiritual ponderings. I LOVE your poem! (another good one) – and I think the Star Trek guys might have known something!
@Betsy – Ha – love it! An elderly relative of mine rang up the people who are our equivalent of home hospice care and told them not to come any more.
@Lance – maybe Jeanne’s (above) idea that this is a playful concept is the way to go, Lance. I mean, you surely don’t think about dying anyway, do you? The physical immortality mindset just means feeling like a young person who has their whole life before them, right now.
@Akemi – “So we don’t die. We just develop lightbody out of our physical body.” – that is my thinking exactly – i.e. we don’t need to go through the death process to evolve – or, evolving is a result of overcoming death. I’d just be a little cautious if we find ourselves thinking “something else” is more fun than where we are right now – to ascend we need to master the physical realm, rather than escape it, I think.
@Vered – Mike Foster, who comments on this blog, recently discussed in a post “My teenaged friend offers up a good point: Why, indeed, should we exercise, maintain a healthy weight, eschew excess, when we are all stamped with a termination date?” He offers some advice to the teenage boy – it is a common underlying attitude, I think. Mike’s post is: Is Life Worth Living?
@Patricia – I thought you were having your birthday while still in Scotland – it’s only a few days away now! I think it is GREAT the way you are going for life!
@Amy – thanks Amy – I wanted a pony, too.
i thought the ideal of immortality is only found in India and countries that believe on resurrection. Now i found some people still enjoy this discussion.
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I did read the Janni article.
Thinking that I don’t have enough time for all I wish to do, or that my life will be shortened because both of my parents ‘ lives were dure to disease, are both self-defeating beliefs for sure.
I want this life to be long, because I want to see the people my grandkids will become. I do believe in astral travel n am very spiritual. Who wouldn’t want to live forever as scriptures promise? Believing we don’t die, is difficult when we watch so many around us go. Good concept of hope, but difficult to unteach!
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“all healing is temporary until you heal death”
sure man can have immortality, true, but no man or person can do this or make it happen.
1 post a year….i doubt it
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This is an intriguing subject, thanks for sharing your find.
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Hi Robin,
I understand we evolve by mastering this world first. At the same time, I think it’s a pretty common sentiment among starseeds that we are so “done” with this world. Not that we don’t like it here or we think “there” is better. By analogy, even when you love the food, you don’t keep eating on and on. You stop at some point and move on to something else that you also enjoy. With life, we haven’t had the same kind of choice. I think developing lightbody is about conscious transition from this world to another (and possibly back).
Also, I suspect if everyone can see lightbodies. So those who can’t might think people disappeared.
What do you think?
I’ll have to check out the Oprah thread!
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Thanks Robin for your cool comments about my Oprah ‘Do you choose life?’ thread- it is creating a lot of interest – it has now received over 23,000 views.
Thanks for everyones comments here as well – and please express your interest on the thread – that energy enables others to look more closely at this possibility, a possibility that until quite recently the majority have not dared to even dream
Physical Immortality is an ‘idea whose time has come’!
lots of love Janni
@Lance – Hi there Lance and welcome to this blog! I think there is interest in all parts of the world!
@SnaggleTooth – hi there again, ST – maybe it will become easier when more and more people embrace it?
@Natural – hi Val – if we believe it is possible, might we be more likely to find the evidence? Just a thought.
@Mark – yes, I think so.
@Akemi – I guess I see it this way… it would be pretty understandable to indulge in unlimited thinking and see there is more than “this world” to explore and enjoy, and to look forward to that, but we need to be alert to whether we are getting out of present time with these ideas, because it is by transforming our consciousness (and therefore our world around us) in the present that we obtain the keys to the freedoms we want. We need to strengthen our ability to live in a physical body in a physical universe, to get to the next level – so we can expertly negotiate the adventures awaiting, rather than split like fruit that has ripened too quickly (a la Ken Carey’s books ‘The Starseed Transmissions’, ‘Vision’ and ‘Return of the Bird Tribes’). Phew! (and I agree with you about the disappearing lightbodies) x
@Mama Zen – I’m glad you write short comments, MZ.
@Janni – Ha! Janni! Glad you liked it! I think you are doing a great job over there on Oprah.com, and I am so glad to have met you (in an online sort of way).
Hi Robin,
For me I am not sure I would want to live forever. So, this is an interesting topic. Happy Birthday to Jenny.
Thanks for sharing.
Giovanna Garcia
IMperfect Action is better than No Action
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Robin,
If I live forever does that mean I’ll have to work forever?!?
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@Giovanna – what is interesting to me is that we consider the possibility – nice to see you again, Giovanna
@Tess – yes Tess – you will definitely have to work forever (just kidding)
Speaking personally, I found that my desire for personal immortality came from fear and mistrust around death. Over the years I’ve come to increasingly experience my connection to all things – how integral my own nature is to all being or nature, how completely I am part and parcel to the whole process – and the idea of personal immortality gradually stopped being a concern to me.
Hi there Paul Maurice – I guess that for me, feeling connection and being alive and aware in the present are the most important things, and that seeing ourselves as immortal aids in that.
Hi Paul Maurice and Robin,
My feeling about physical immortality at this time is summed up well by the character in my “fiction” story ‘The song of life’ – here’s the dialogue –
“You said the other night the secret of life is in your heart. Is that like the open, loving heart being the holy grail that grants physical immortality?”
“Sounds very mystical when you say it like that, doesn’t it? It has been shrouded in mystery for centuries. It’s really quite simple though – the more we open our hearts to each other, embrace our differences and, in so doing, love all aspects of ourself, the more aliveness our physical body has.”
“We fully connect to the divine matrix of ‘All that is’. Physical death is replaced by embracing the ‘little deaths’ of change and flow. We continually re-invent ourselves, without needing to re-incarnate.”
“We also learn to be more present emotionally in the now moment.”
“Hmmm that all makes a lot of sense”
Robin, I haven’t checked out the Oprah series yet, but really liked the exchange here between you and Akemi, as it addressed some of my own questions. I don’t think in terms of physical immortality in terms of extending the life of this current body, I think of it more in terms of reaching a point where this body and this world, or the option of a physical body at all, is just one choice. I think that is the way it is anyway, but our awareness is often too limited to see that. So I don’t know if I think of it as transcending the physical body, exactly.
On the other hand, I resonate very strongly with Buddhism, and recognizing the transience of life is an important part of the path there, exactly because it can help us connect to that which is truly eternal and immortal, or rather, beyond the eternal/impermanent dichotomy altogether. Which is sort of how I conceptualize enlightenment (even though one isn’t supposed to conceptualize enlightenment!!)
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Thanks for the post Robin 🙂
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@Janni – hi again Janni – I especially like your “the more we open our hearts to each other, embrace our differences and, in so doing, love all aspects of ourself, the more aliveness our physical body has.” Thanks for the contribution!
@Lisa – yes I think it is a choice, too. I think we are immortal beings who consist of body, mind and soul – and we need all three to be complete (even if a body can be raised in vibration so it becomes invisible to us, it is still a body of energy). I also think we can connect very well with what is eternal and immortal while alive in a body – “Death is the dingy back door entrance to the heavenly realms” (Annalee Skarin).
@Ivan – thanks Ivan
Robin, I can see that… Could open the door to a long comment or even ideas for a post and with too little time I’ll just say that your words to me point to the spiritual importance of hope.
I’ll take a pony too, please! Just kidding. Ponies hate me.
Western Australia this September… I wish!
I must say with a name like Janni she’s already a shoe-in for a winner in my books. And today I feel immortal. I like the word immortal because it rhymes with portal and portal is one of my favorite words. I also like the words avast, ahoy and yar. And Matey.
Setting sail now!
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@Paul – that’s lovely – our spirits are naturally expansive, aren’t they?
Ahoy Jannie – A pony is on the way (actually, I don’t know whether my manifestation skills are up to that, tho you should have room for one there in Texas). I DO have to watch out when I write your names down! (my 2 Jannies/Jannis).
We might not be able to live forever, but we can live indefinite, unlimited lifespans. This is underway, this is part of the most monumental cause ever undertaken in the history of humanity, its underway, the activism, the research, everything. Its making its way to the world stage so that we may all have a chance to have unlimited lifespans become a reality in time for us all. Join us today. We need you like there is no tomorrow. You can find us in many places. There is an active forum about it at imminst.org, the science at sens.org, the conservative side of it at healthyyears.com, etc…